1 00:00:08,570 --> 00:00:17,189 [Music] 2 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:20,680 welcome to shattered reality with your 3 00:00:28,510 --> 00:00:25,490 hosts Kate Valentine and furs prepare to 4 00:00:34,630 --> 00:00:28,520 have your paradigm shifted in the truths 5 00:00:38,439 --> 00:00:34,640 questioned and now shattered reality hey 6 00:00:41,110 --> 00:00:38,449 Kate I appreciate our you I think I'm 7 00:00:47,590 --> 00:00:41,120 doing okay today would you believe this 8 00:00:49,060 --> 00:00:47,600 is our 57th show I wouldn't and I'm just 9 00:00:55,830 --> 00:00:49,070 going to slate 10 00:00:57,819 --> 00:00:55,840 today is October 24th 2017 all right and 11 00:01:01,830 --> 00:00:57,829 we're all getting ready for Halloween 12 00:01:05,649 --> 00:01:01,840 around here at shattered reality podcast 13 00:01:10,260 --> 00:01:05,659 but today we are proud to present 14 00:01:15,969 --> 00:01:10,270 someone who was our thirteenth guest 15 00:01:19,660 --> 00:01:15,979 back two years ago we have a we have 16 00:01:24,099 --> 00:01:19,670 today for your listening pleasure John B 17 00:01:27,459 --> 00:01:24,109 Alexander who is a doctor of Education 18 00:01:30,609 --> 00:01:27,469 and thanatology he is a retired United 19 00:01:32,919 --> 00:01:30,619 States Army colonel and he has so many 20 00:01:36,419 --> 00:01:32,929 different awards that I can't even begin 21 00:01:39,719 --> 00:01:36,429 to mention them I know on his mids a 22 00:01:42,639 --> 00:01:39,729 national oh boy I'm going to investigate 23 00:01:45,730 --> 00:01:42,649 discovery science yes National Institute 24 00:01:48,789 --> 00:01:45,740 of discovery science he has a biography 25 00:01:52,679 --> 00:01:48,799 on there that is just one award after 26 00:01:56,459 --> 00:01:52,689 another today we're going to be mostly 27 00:02:00,730 --> 00:01:56,469 discussing his new book which is called 28 00:02:05,019 --> 00:02:00,740 reality denied firsthand experiences 29 00:02:08,889 --> 00:02:05,029 with things that can't happen but did 30 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:08,899 and the forward is by the famous psychic 31 00:02:17,530 --> 00:02:12,730 Uri Geller so without any further ado 32 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:17,540 John B Alexander PhD welcome to the show 33 00:02:23,350 --> 00:02:20,690 so glad to be back 34 00:02:25,180 --> 00:02:23,360 yeah I'll tell you I have to say dr. 35 00:02:27,460 --> 00:02:25,190 Alexander this is Kate Valentine here 36 00:02:30,250 --> 00:02:27,470 now it was such a pleasure to read your 37 00:02:33,310 --> 00:02:30,260 book you're one of the few people that 38 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:33,320 write in conversational tones and it was 39 00:02:38,710 --> 00:02:35,810 like sitting down and having a talk with 40 00:02:41,230 --> 00:02:38,720 you a very interesting person discussing 41 00:02:46,140 --> 00:02:41,240 extremely interesting things it was a 42 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:46,150 very very very enjoyable book thank you 43 00:02:52,870 --> 00:02:48,110 glad you enjoyed it 44 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:52,880 well I did too and basically what I 45 00:02:59,520 --> 00:02:55,090 would like to start out with because 46 00:03:02,890 --> 00:02:59,530 your book is separated into chapters 47 00:03:06,130 --> 00:03:02,900 according to the type of phenomena that 48 00:03:08,980 --> 00:03:06,140 you experienced or witnessed or with 49 00:03:12,150 --> 00:03:08,990 were with people who experienced it 50 00:03:17,050 --> 00:03:12,160 rather than it being a chronological 51 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:17,060 sort of what a biography if you will so 52 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:19,310 which I did lose some of them based on 53 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:21,530 my personal experiences then there's a 54 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:23,570 whole group on the military things that 55 00:03:29,350 --> 00:03:26,930 we did when I was with the intelligence 56 00:03:32,260 --> 00:03:29,360 community that were pretty pretty 57 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:32,270 interesting and very different so you 58 00:03:38,830 --> 00:03:35,690 you started out as an Army private you 59 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:38,840 were it just enlisted as a as a very 60 00:03:46,030 --> 00:03:42,770 young man and went on from there to 61 00:03:48,479 --> 00:03:46,040 finally become a colonel and during that 62 00:03:51,670 --> 00:03:48,489 time you were in Vietnam and you had 63 00:03:56,590 --> 00:03:51,680 some very very interesting experiences 64 00:03:58,270 --> 00:03:56,600 there as in combat in in Vietnam would 65 00:04:03,310 --> 00:03:58,280 you like to talk a little bit about that 66 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:03,320 oh well are we talking about stuff on 67 00:04:08,830 --> 00:04:06,650 intuition or yes yes I'm assuming you 68 00:04:10,210 --> 00:04:08,840 don't watch this war story no no I mean 69 00:04:12,460 --> 00:04:10,220 that I mean I'm sure that they're 70 00:04:15,420 --> 00:04:12,470 interesting also but not really the 71 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:15,430 subject of our show right I understand 72 00:04:23,020 --> 00:04:19,970 no I did a chapter called tripwire and 73 00:04:26,710 --> 00:04:23,030 now when I mentioned there they're 74 00:04:34,700 --> 00:04:26,720 several incidents but one in particular 75 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:34,710 where I was entering BC my 76 00:04:38,930 --> 00:04:36,810 field if you will now these are not like 77 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:38,940 classic military minefields because 78 00:04:47,810 --> 00:04:42,570 they're not marked or anything like that 79 00:04:52,580 --> 00:04:47,820 and as I was backing up because we were 80 00:04:56,060 --> 00:04:52,590 in contact I suddenly stopped and then 81 00:04:59,180 --> 00:04:56,070 this Vietnamese lieutenant with me 82 00:05:03,100 --> 00:04:59,190 starts yelling mean mean and I looked 83 00:05:05,660 --> 00:05:03,110 down and there's a tripwire 84 00:05:08,300 --> 00:05:05,670 that's running behind the heel of my 85 00:05:12,290 --> 00:05:08,310 boots that I've already started to put 86 00:05:17,090 --> 00:05:12,300 tension on so had I continued backwards 87 00:05:19,700 --> 00:05:17,100 for and another inch I would have set 88 00:05:23,330 --> 00:05:19,710 off for mine and probably taken off my 89 00:05:26,210 --> 00:05:23,340 legs so exactly why I stopped at that 90 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:26,220 point I can't quite say but it's the 91 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:29,690 type of experience that military people 92 00:05:36,260 --> 00:05:32,490 lose in combat in particular or just 93 00:05:39,430 --> 00:05:36,270 recount by the thousands I mean that's 94 00:05:43,700 --> 00:05:39,440 not atypical at all 95 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:43,710 yes well would you say that that was the 96 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:46,370 beginning of your feelings of having 97 00:05:52,070 --> 00:05:49,730 intuition or the beginnings of your 98 00:05:56,660 --> 00:05:52,080 experience almost although this is 99 00:06:00,340 --> 00:05:56,670 decades later okay as I started my 100 00:06:07,090 --> 00:06:00,350 interest actually my earliest 101 00:06:11,060 --> 00:06:07,100 recollection saj goes back to 1947 I 102 00:06:13,730 --> 00:06:11,070 went to a very unique grade school and 103 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:13,740 was actually part of a college that 104 00:06:19,060 --> 00:06:15,290 became part of the University of 105 00:06:22,910 --> 00:06:19,070 Wisconsin and because of that we had a 106 00:06:25,700 --> 00:06:22,920 radio system that was inside the school 107 00:06:28,970 --> 00:06:25,710 we could put broadcasts out and students 108 00:06:32,630 --> 00:06:28,980 would periodically be tasked to you know 109 00:06:43,910 --> 00:06:32,640 to broadcast my very first broadcast was 110 00:06:45,380 --> 00:06:43,920 on UFOs wow I just remember 40 47 things 111 00:06:48,290 --> 00:06:45,390 were just getting started 112 00:06:51,830 --> 00:06:48,300 that was the wasn't that the washing 113 00:06:59,149 --> 00:06:51,840 2dc fly over and all we sat in the 50s 114 00:07:01,430 --> 00:06:59,159 51 Roswell and the first sightings by 115 00:07:04,909 --> 00:07:01,440 Kenneth Arnold I believe right right 116 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:04,919 right and it's uh they had the first 117 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:08,490 sightings by Kenneth Arnold followed by 118 00:07:14,420 --> 00:07:10,289 a series of other sightings and of 119 00:07:18,050 --> 00:07:14,430 course infamous Roswell event which I 120 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:18,060 get into lots of trouble over but all of 121 00:07:24,439 --> 00:07:21,330 those things were going on just about 122 00:07:28,010 --> 00:07:24,449 that time you also have the famous 123 00:07:31,670 --> 00:07:28,020 twining memo that came out it said hey 124 00:07:34,459 --> 00:07:31,680 this is a classified memo to the Air 125 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:34,469 Force not to the public but saying this 126 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:36,530 is real we need to take it seriously 127 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:40,770 it's not hallucinations or anything we 128 00:07:48,020 --> 00:07:45,090 can explain indeed indeed well and you 129 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:48,030 you have since more in more recent times 130 00:07:53,930 --> 00:07:51,690 you were out in I don't know that ranch 131 00:07:56,269 --> 00:07:53,940 in the upper Northwest the name of which 132 00:07:59,659 --> 00:07:56,279 is escaping me no not skinwalker that 133 00:08:01,820 --> 00:07:59,669 was that was in the southwest that where 134 00:08:04,129 --> 00:08:01,830 you you saw something of that you might 135 00:08:07,519 --> 00:08:04,139 you might have thought was a UFO correct 136 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:07,529 that was a while back well that's yeah 137 00:08:15,379 --> 00:08:11,130 that's quite a while ago in this book an 138 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:15,389 incident that's much more intriguing and 139 00:08:24,980 --> 00:08:23,490 this happened almost two years ago right 140 00:08:28,909 --> 00:08:24,990 around this time of year 141 00:08:31,790 --> 00:08:28,919 but I was following up with Kris blood 142 00:08:36,709 --> 00:08:31,800 soul man a number of people might 143 00:08:38,839 --> 00:08:36,719 recognize him on the case at what we 144 00:08:43,310 --> 00:08:38,849 haven't got an hour to just cover that 145 00:08:46,939 --> 00:08:43,320 case alone but it started with a 146 00:08:49,389 --> 00:08:46,949 sighting that he and some other people 147 00:08:55,730 --> 00:08:49,399 had major sighting interactions with 148 00:08:59,630 --> 00:08:55,740 creepy crawlers things hovering a he 149 00:09:01,500 --> 00:08:59,640 goes home and is followed by some type 150 00:09:03,930 --> 00:09:01,510 of alien gets off in the yard 151 00:09:07,350 --> 00:09:03,940 running off and he's captured by them 152 00:09:12,210 --> 00:09:07,360 turns around and says okay 153 00:09:14,820 --> 00:09:12,220 you got me and the alien telepathically 154 00:09:18,300 --> 00:09:14,830 communicated oh you don't understand 155 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:18,310 we're here to help you which he doesn't 156 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:21,010 think much of and whatever this entity 157 00:09:29,670 --> 00:09:25,930 is it disappears as Chris jr. Chris 158 00:09:34,470 --> 00:09:29,680 seniors son shows up who and also had a 159 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:34,480 major encounter that evening himself but 160 00:09:39,470 --> 00:09:37,090 what he learned the next day he just 161 00:09:42,270 --> 00:09:39,480 realized around noon he says gee I 162 00:09:44,670 --> 00:09:42,280 haven't taken my medicine today and it 163 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:44,680 turns out he had had Crohn's disease 164 00:09:54,030 --> 00:09:49,510 which is terribly debilitating and had 165 00:09:57,300 --> 00:09:54,040 that had gone on for 12 years and after 166 00:10:01,530 --> 00:09:57,310 this encounter since then he's never 167 00:10:04,020 --> 00:10:01,540 taken a pill again what happened 168 00:10:07,350 --> 00:10:04,030 that may be of interest is that we went 169 00:10:10,140 --> 00:10:07,360 down and visited him and as fact we got 170 00:10:14,310 --> 00:10:10,150 a lovely family and they're all involved 171 00:10:18,060 --> 00:10:14,320 and Carib ly supportive so he took us 172 00:10:20,790 --> 00:10:18,070 down to the river the initial incident 173 00:10:24,750 --> 00:10:20,800 had happened on the Cape Fear River just 174 00:10:27,210 --> 00:10:24,760 a few miles from his home and we went 175 00:10:29,430 --> 00:10:27,220 down there it was getting early evening 176 00:10:31,830 --> 00:10:29,440 and we came back up and he's showing us 177 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:31,840 where you know this happened here and 178 00:10:38,750 --> 00:10:34,090 here's where I saw this and all that so 179 00:10:41,460 --> 00:10:38,760 we get back up in an empty field and 180 00:10:44,930 --> 00:10:41,470 Chris and I are leaning against the car 181 00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:44,940 talking about it Victoria was along and 182 00:10:49,530 --> 00:10:47,740 she and his daughter we've gotten the 183 00:10:53,490 --> 00:10:49,540 backseat of the car and we're talking 184 00:10:56,580 --> 00:10:53,500 that's getting yeah it's just dark but 185 00:10:58,710 --> 00:10:56,590 you know just turned that way and as 186 00:11:03,270 --> 00:10:58,720 we're discussing it all of a sudden he 187 00:11:05,430 --> 00:11:03,280 goes oh I think they're here and within 188 00:11:08,370 --> 00:11:05,440 about 10 seconds all of a sudden 189 00:11:13,060 --> 00:11:08,380 something pops into view and goes 190 00:11:19,300 --> 00:11:16,329 and with a specific interest of course 191 00:11:22,210 --> 00:11:19,310 is a temporal relationship between the 192 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:22,220 time him saying I think they're here and 193 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:27,410 the objects appearing hmm but it kept my 194 00:11:33,610 --> 00:11:30,610 attention much more so than the insin 195 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:33,620 Upton Washington right that was that was 196 00:11:38,259 --> 00:11:35,810 some some time ago and from your last 197 00:11:42,790 --> 00:11:38,269 book but with the Bledsoe family here 198 00:11:46,019 --> 00:11:42,800 you you also took a trip to Mount Mount 199 00:11:51,129 --> 00:11:46,029 Charleston outside of Las Vegas and I 200 00:11:53,860 --> 00:11:51,139 live in Las Vegas and he and some other 201 00:11:59,769 --> 00:11:53,870 friends were out visiting and they they 202 00:12:04,600 --> 00:11:59,779 wanted to try and interact because the 203 00:12:09,939 --> 00:12:04,610 premise being that whatever it is a 204 00:12:13,930 --> 00:12:09,949 formal consciousness or whatnot can be 205 00:12:16,780 --> 00:12:13,940 attracted and so we went up and we were 206 00:12:19,210 --> 00:12:16,790 about a mush people don't know Las Vegas 207 00:12:23,350 --> 00:12:19,220 is only 2,000 feet high but the mountain 208 00:12:26,769 --> 00:12:23,360 goes up to nearly 12,000 feet so pretty 209 00:12:31,150 --> 00:12:26,779 high mountains within half an hour of 210 00:12:35,439 --> 00:12:31,160 the city until we're traversing at about 211 00:12:40,689 --> 00:12:35,449 the 9,000 foot level and stopped and 212 00:12:44,860 --> 00:12:40,699 we're putting up balloons with some chem 213 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:44,870 light kinds of things on them just to 214 00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:47,510 see what would happen and what was the 215 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:49,880 Ventris was that I took a number of 216 00:12:57,250 --> 00:12:54,769 flash photos and in some of them you see 217 00:13:00,519 --> 00:12:57,260 these kinds of orbs and others 218 00:13:05,079 --> 00:13:00,529 absolutely nothing just you know the 219 00:13:08,170 --> 00:13:05,089 picture is you would expect it to be so 220 00:13:10,210 --> 00:13:08,180 the so the I'm just gonna quote you here 221 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:10,220 for a second it says in your book with 222 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:12,290 temperatures near freezing we conducted 223 00:13:20,139 --> 00:13:15,529 activities that some contend attract 224 00:13:22,379 --> 00:13:20,149 visitors now that sentence really took 225 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:22,389 me you know it captured my interest 226 00:13:27,939 --> 00:13:25,610 because what were those activities 227 00:13:32,410 --> 00:13:27,949 putting up the balloon 228 00:13:39,949 --> 00:13:37,340 yeah they primarily using these balloons 229 00:13:42,170 --> 00:13:39,959 with say with a chem light silent so 230 00:13:44,420 --> 00:13:42,180 they would trinkle so if anybody else 231 00:13:48,410 --> 00:13:44,430 saw I'm sure they thought those would 232 00:13:52,370 --> 00:13:48,420 have been good right right well it would 233 00:13:55,749 --> 00:13:52,380 certainly I'm going to skip almost to 234 00:13:59,420 --> 00:13:55,759 the end here and say that you are 235 00:14:03,170 --> 00:13:59,430 hosting the Society for scientific 236 00:14:08,210 --> 00:14:03,180 exploration annual symposium out in Las 237 00:14:11,420 --> 00:14:08,220 Vegas in June of 2018 and I'm hoping 238 00:14:14,449 --> 00:14:11,430 that maybe everybody can take a trip out 239 00:14:17,930 --> 00:14:14,459 to a Mount Charleston but I don't know 240 00:14:20,449 --> 00:14:17,940 if that's in the offing like I say it's 241 00:14:23,290 --> 00:14:20,459 only about thirty minutes away 242 00:14:27,650 --> 00:14:23,300 I would mention that the esse meeting 243 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:27,660 will be here from seven to ten June next 244 00:14:35,470 --> 00:14:31,649 year but this is also combined with Irv 245 00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:35,480 o the International remote viewing 246 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:39,360 Association so we're going to work 247 00:14:43,939 --> 00:14:41,970 together that we did one with the Perot 248 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:43,949 Psychological Association a few years 249 00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:46,970 ago and it ups the ante we also have 250 00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:50,160 ranking a lot of members that happen to 251 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:52,800 belong to both organizations I think 252 00:14:59,540 --> 00:14:54,689 that was part of the thinking and 253 00:15:02,389 --> 00:14:59,550 getting getting it here and have a we're 254 00:15:05,269 --> 00:15:02,399 going to be at the South Point Hotel and 255 00:15:08,809 --> 00:15:05,279 Casino and the room rates that we've 256 00:15:11,210 --> 00:15:08,819 secured are very attractive okay well 257 00:15:13,249 --> 00:15:11,220 I'm a member of both and so I get two 258 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:13,259 for my one money and that's going to be 259 00:15:17,509 --> 00:15:14,880 great well that's why we did it I mean 260 00:15:21,939 --> 00:15:17,519 there's we have quite a few folks like 261 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:21,949 you who belong to both organizations and 262 00:15:26,749 --> 00:15:25,050 we're we're still working on the well 263 00:15:30,410 --> 00:15:26,759 the program committee is working on 264 00:15:33,379 --> 00:15:30,420 exactly what will be covered actually I 265 00:15:38,780 --> 00:15:33,389 would say that you're a documentation of 266 00:15:40,610 --> 00:15:38,790 your experiences was very meticulous i I 267 00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:40,620 did a swim with the doll 268 00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:42,959 and you you've done swims with dolphins 269 00:15:50,679 --> 00:15:47,040 and whales and I I did get beamed by 270 00:15:53,929 --> 00:15:50,689 some some dolphins I did experience that 271 00:15:56,929 --> 00:15:53,939 sonar I guess it is that they that they 272 00:16:00,499 --> 00:15:56,939 sort of beam at you and it was a very 273 00:16:06,139 --> 00:16:00,509 unique experience did you want to speak 274 00:16:09,650 --> 00:16:06,149 about that at all well we did we were 275 00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:09,660 actually a we were I assumed your 276 00:16:17,629 --> 00:16:13,110 dolphins were in captivity no no I went 277 00:16:21,319 --> 00:16:17,639 out on a pontoon type boat into the 278 00:16:24,530 --> 00:16:21,329 Bermuda Triangle with the marine mammal 279 00:16:27,819 --> 00:16:24,540 stranding Institute of New Jersey down 280 00:16:31,460 --> 00:16:27,829 in there from there out of Neptune 281 00:16:35,179 --> 00:16:31,470 Brigantine New Jersey and they 282 00:16:38,290 --> 00:16:35,189 instituted a trip that my friend was 283 00:16:42,199 --> 00:16:38,300 going to go on a lady friend of mine and 284 00:16:44,929 --> 00:16:42,209 she got me to go and I practice my 285 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:44,939 swimming and I went out there and at one 286 00:16:49,850 --> 00:16:47,610 point I was left behind by the boat and 287 00:16:52,429 --> 00:16:49,860 I have to tell you it it was it was an 288 00:16:59,299 --> 00:16:52,439 experience but Here I am to talk about 289 00:17:03,079 --> 00:16:59,309 it today water if you want to be scared 290 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:03,089 no no I I won't see it thank you I don't 291 00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:07,289 want to be scared I'm scared that's 292 00:17:13,490 --> 00:17:09,839 about it I've divers like those who are 293 00:17:17,090 --> 00:17:13,500 there down and come up and the boat is 294 00:17:19,579 --> 00:17:17,100 gone yes yes they were going but I saw 295 00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:19,589 it I saw it disappearing into the 296 00:17:26,029 --> 00:17:23,039 distance and for I was waving and waving 297 00:17:27,770 --> 00:17:26,039 and waving with my you know flippers on 298 00:17:30,169 --> 00:17:27,780 underneath and they were going going 299 00:17:31,970 --> 00:17:30,179 going and finally I guess that lady 300 00:17:34,820 --> 00:17:31,980 friend of mine happened to mention to 301 00:17:38,419 --> 00:17:34,830 the woman running the cruise that hey my 302 00:17:40,789 --> 00:17:38,429 friend isn't there and so she they came 303 00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:40,799 started back towards me and she jumped 304 00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:45,360 off the boat and she swam to me and she 305 00:17:49,789 --> 00:17:48,120 said now don't worry your I might have 306 00:17:52,190 --> 00:17:49,799 to knock you out because you're drowning 307 00:17:53,910 --> 00:17:52,200 and I said hold on I'm not drowning I'm 308 00:17:57,210 --> 00:17:53,920 swimming you left me 309 00:18:00,840 --> 00:17:57,220 I'm here I'm fine just take me back onto 310 00:18:04,410 --> 00:18:00,850 the boat from a diagnostic perspective 311 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:04,420 that's inexcusable and they're supposed 312 00:18:09,930 --> 00:18:07,090 to make I've done a lot of that and 313 00:18:12,570 --> 00:18:09,940 you're supposed to make you know head 314 00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:12,580 counts and have a solid head count 315 00:18:21,210 --> 00:18:17,200 before you depart locations but unless 316 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:21,220 we were actually living out in the area 317 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:27,370 north of Bimini mm-hmm and yeah our 318 00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:30,490 interactions were kind of continuous one 319 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:34,720 for several days including and what's in 320 00:18:40,580 --> 00:18:37,170 the book is about telepathic 321 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:40,590 communication where we have the Dolphins 322 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:44,410 responding to specific instructions that 323 00:18:54,830 --> 00:18:51,370 were being sent to them and they seem to 324 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:54,840 respond quite positively and you know 325 00:19:02,910 --> 00:18:58,090 like major changes in direction and 326 00:19:07,230 --> 00:19:02,920 whatnot they also it also describes ones 327 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:07,240 that were run by Scott Jones in where 328 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:10,450 they were in tanks in captivity with 329 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:13,330 very intricate patterns that the 330 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:16,510 Dolphins responded to and they get all 331 00:19:25,170 --> 00:19:20,650 of it done telepathically no hand hand 332 00:19:28,380 --> 00:19:25,180 signals or anything like that quite 333 00:19:31,260 --> 00:19:28,390 impressive you have quite a history in 334 00:19:35,730 --> 00:19:31,270 the water shall we say you've gone down 335 00:19:40,860 --> 00:19:35,740 in a shark tank you swum with whales and 336 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:40,870 with dolphins and also you went looking 337 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:43,810 for the remains of a possible Atlantis 338 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:46,570 near Bimini at one point in the in the 339 00:19:55,970 --> 00:19:50,410 past the further past that is antiquity 340 00:20:01,080 --> 00:19:55,980 but yes it goes back to about 1970 341 00:20:04,830 --> 00:20:01,090 somewhere around in there but yeah we 342 00:20:07,010 --> 00:20:04,840 were looking at was known as the Bimini 343 00:20:09,950 --> 00:20:07,020 wall 344 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:09,960 a lot of questions about what it really 345 00:20:16,810 --> 00:20:10,530 is 346 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:16,820 however what we saw was a very long one 347 00:20:28,910 --> 00:20:23,610 eighteen hundred yard layer of rocks out 348 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:28,920 there that were very geometric in you 349 00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:33,210 know specific large rectangles hex 350 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:36,000 angles and things of that nature it was 351 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:39,210 very clear that when you swim over it 352 00:20:48,010 --> 00:20:42,890 you have ocean floor on one side wall 353 00:20:52,580 --> 00:20:48,020 off the other side ocean floor again and 354 00:20:56,060 --> 00:20:52,590 I forget that that there were a few 355 00:21:02,180 --> 00:20:56,070 books written on that probably forty 356 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:02,190 years ago also dr. Alexander just to get 357 00:21:08,180 --> 00:21:04,610 back to generalities as opposed to 358 00:21:10,850 --> 00:21:08,190 specificities are in writing the book 359 00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:10,860 you state that your objective for many 360 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:13,260 years has been to it and I'm quoting has 361 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:15,570 been to assist in making it possible for 362 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:18,090 the young best and brightest scientists 363 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:20,970 to explore areas of phenomena without 364 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:23,490 risking their reputation or livelihood 365 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:26,970 and that does seem to be the problem you 366 00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:29,130 seem to have escaped that do you have 367 00:21:34,820 --> 00:21:31,320 made a really nice career for yourself 368 00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:34,830 in both small yeah when I tell folks who 369 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:37,310 say that is you want to see the scars 370 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:44,730 really it is a career can't I get 371 00:21:49,790 --> 00:21:47,730 questions periodically from young folks 372 00:21:52,910 --> 00:21:49,800 who say how can I get a career in this 373 00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:52,920 and that and they be independently 374 00:21:59,540 --> 00:21:57,200 wealthy yeah what the thing he's 375 00:22:03,710 --> 00:21:59,550 selected there was I think one of the 376 00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:03,720 most important points in the book that I 377 00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:07,440 do think we need to get or make it 378 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:12,960 permissible for people to do this one of 379 00:22:16,610 --> 00:22:14,970 the things I point out we haven't got to 380 00:22:20,180 --> 00:22:16,620 the complexity of what we're talking 381 00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:20,190 about yet but as you know I look at 382 00:22:25,399 --> 00:22:21,440 these fine 383 00:22:28,719 --> 00:22:25,409 across the board for all the things that 384 00:22:31,549 --> 00:22:28,729 you might from you know UFOs who 385 00:22:35,479 --> 00:22:31,559 psychokinesis a near-death experience of 386 00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:35,489 fire walking to sasquatch to you know 387 00:22:40,999 --> 00:22:38,700 better than a nun alone and I think 388 00:22:44,779 --> 00:22:41,009 there is a connection that consciousness 389 00:22:49,070 --> 00:22:44,789 is a key piece of that so I point out 390 00:22:52,810 --> 00:22:49,080 that whatever we're looking at is at 391 00:22:55,460 --> 00:22:52,820 least as complex as cancer or AIDS and 392 00:22:58,159 --> 00:22:55,470 yet when you look at the amount of 393 00:23:01,700 --> 00:22:58,169 resources placed towards a research on 394 00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:01,710 it it is miniscule at best you're 395 00:23:13,089 --> 00:23:06,720 probably not have you know locally 1/10 396 00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:13,099 of 1% of what we put into even rare 397 00:23:22,489 --> 00:23:17,840 diseases I said my best guess is that 398 00:23:25,849 --> 00:23:22,499 maybe 10 million dollars a year is and 399 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:25,859 you know globally has put in it there's 400 00:23:33,499 --> 00:23:27,450 no way of knowing because most of this 401 00:23:35,859 --> 00:23:33,509 is private donations but for comparison 402 00:23:39,589 --> 00:23:35,869 I point to the Large Hadron Collider 403 00:23:44,269 --> 00:23:39,599 where we spent about 18 billion dollars 404 00:23:47,839 --> 00:23:44,279 just to try and find the Higgs boson and 405 00:23:49,489 --> 00:23:47,849 once they did that then they found well 406 00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:49,499 thinking that would be quote the god 407 00:23:55,369 --> 00:23:53,279 particle you have a step beyond that and 408 00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:55,379 you find out we have pentaquarks that 409 00:24:01,159 --> 00:23:58,799 are even smaller the issue of course is 410 00:24:04,129 --> 00:24:01,169 a belief system a materialistic belief 411 00:24:06,469 --> 00:24:04,139 system that says we can cut things into 412 00:24:10,820 --> 00:24:06,479 smaller and smaller parts but you always 413 00:24:13,489 --> 00:24:10,830 have material at some point whereas I 414 00:24:17,779 --> 00:24:13,499 think that consciousness transcends 415 00:24:19,580 --> 00:24:17,789 those issues and is integral to all of 416 00:24:23,509 --> 00:24:19,590 the things that we see and does not 417 00:24:27,289 --> 00:24:23,519 behave by what we call the laws of 418 00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:27,299 science well I guess you get down to 419 00:24:32,629 --> 00:24:29,849 what is called I believe the hard 420 00:24:34,590 --> 00:24:32,639 question of consciousness because you're 421 00:24:37,379 --> 00:24:34,600 always conscious when you're 422 00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:37,389 using consciousness to research 423 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:40,480 consciousness so it it becomes difficult 424 00:24:49,009 --> 00:24:45,250 to parse that somehow but I would point 425 00:24:51,659 --> 00:24:49,019 to your career and the kind of 426 00:24:55,789 --> 00:24:51,669 metamorphosis that you have undergone 427 00:24:58,980 --> 00:24:55,799 from the time of being a soldier in the 428 00:25:03,779 --> 00:24:58,990 infantry and being let's say in Vietnam 429 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:03,789 and being in a battle type situation to 430 00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:06,130 moving forward in your career and 431 00:25:11,299 --> 00:25:08,289 eventually going into the area of 432 00:25:14,369 --> 00:25:11,309 non-lethal weapons and now then into 433 00:25:17,340 --> 00:25:14,379 being involved with the mids project and 434 00:25:21,509 --> 00:25:17,350 furthermore going on beyond that and and 435 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:21,519 exploring shamanism so I would say that 436 00:25:32,369 --> 00:25:28,330 you have had quite a transformation yeah 437 00:25:34,919 --> 00:25:32,379 I've been very fortunate many areas and 438 00:25:37,259 --> 00:25:34,929 some things that happened particularly 439 00:25:42,330 --> 00:25:37,269 in the military there was a period when 440 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:42,340 I would say well people asked me what I 441 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:45,250 did I'd say I'm a freelance colonel I 442 00:25:52,769 --> 00:25:49,330 worked for male nobert Stubblebine and 443 00:25:56,749 --> 00:25:52,779 we were able to do some very unusual 444 00:25:59,700 --> 00:25:56,759 things and had was at a time when 445 00:26:03,029 --> 00:25:59,710 resources were adequate for doing that 446 00:26:07,009 --> 00:26:03,039 and we weren't you know constantly in 447 00:26:09,299 --> 00:26:07,019 conflict and had the right kind of 448 00:26:14,899 --> 00:26:09,309 open-minded leadership that would allow 449 00:26:18,419 --> 00:26:14,909 us to do that having said that you know 450 00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:18,429 subline paid a huge price for that as 451 00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:22,000 well was forced to retire because of 452 00:26:28,529 --> 00:26:25,440 interest in these areas and the the 453 00:26:31,499 --> 00:26:28,539 leadership who did not appreciate what 454 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:31,509 we were doing won that battle so you 455 00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:35,289 have you know you have both sides of the 456 00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,039 coin people are wonderful innovative and 457 00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:42,159 supportive and conversely the very 458 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:46,480 conservative well two aspects of it one 459 00:26:56,270 --> 00:26:47,250 it can 460 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:56,280 and the other is well maybe you can do 461 00:27:02,140 --> 00:26:58,170 that but if you do is the work of the 462 00:27:06,260 --> 00:27:02,150 devil so you run into the religious 463 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:06,270 complaints well there seems to be a good 464 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:11,250 deal of of that in today's military from 465 00:27:16,790 --> 00:27:14,210 what I hear a lot of people 466 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:16,800 I'm not against Christianity by any 467 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:18,330 means I mean I would grow up as a 468 00:27:24,050 --> 00:27:21,410 Christian but this kind of forced 469 00:27:26,270 --> 00:27:24,060 Christian aspect to being in the 470 00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:26,280 military and seeing all these things as 471 00:27:33,410 --> 00:27:29,910 possibly being satanic as opposed to 472 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:33,420 being just other in other words I think 473 00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:35,370 if the founder returned he would not 474 00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:42,900 recognize the organization yeah III 475 00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:45,480 would have to I would have to agree with 476 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:49,590 that I was interested in something that 477 00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:52,050 you mentioned twice in the book I mean 478 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:54,030 there were two separate chapters that 479 00:28:01,210 --> 00:27:56,730 had dealt with things are around 480 00:28:06,650 --> 00:28:01,220 levitation because we did we did have 481 00:28:07,790 --> 00:28:06,660 dr. Michael I think of his last name oh 482 00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:07,800 boy 483 00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,200 he was on the levitation gentleman the 484 00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:12,240 man who wrote the book about levitation 485 00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:15,870 most recently he was doing what anyway 486 00:28:21,740 --> 00:28:19,020 anyway and I've had some minor 487 00:28:24,050 --> 00:28:21,750 experiences with levitation and you 488 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:24,060 mentioned about your pull-ups and the 489 00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:26,850 dancers and I had been a dancer and I 490 00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:28,440 know other dancers who talked about 491 00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,110 going across the floor during dance 492 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:33,840 class and when they do their jumps they 493 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:36,330 feel as though they are being held up 494 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:39,450 during their jumps yep I think I 495 00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:41,490 mentioned Baryshnikov because that was 496 00:28:46,940 --> 00:28:44,640 one where they said that they really do 497 00:28:50,930 --> 00:28:46,950 think that you know there were times 498 00:28:55,910 --> 00:28:50,940 that he just seemed to stay aloft longer 499 00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:55,920 than is reasonably expected right and 500 00:29:00,680 --> 00:28:58,679 and he's not he's far from the only one 501 00:29:04,790 --> 00:29:00,690 who has reported that 502 00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:04,800 a fellow who was a roommate of mine at 503 00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:09,000 one point was a with the New York ballet 504 00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:13,740 and he would experience the same thing 505 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:16,140 in his jumps and you experienced 506 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:18,090 something similar when you were doing 507 00:29:26,090 --> 00:29:21,570 pull-ups and was that in basic training 508 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:26,100 or no no as I pointed out I was with a 509 00:29:32,750 --> 00:29:29,850 hundred and first Airborne Division I 510 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:32,760 was still enlisted as a young medic at 511 00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:36,290 the time and if you wanted to eat daily 512 00:29:45,650 --> 00:29:40,620 went past the pull-up bar three times a 513 00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:45,660 day and it was one where like I said I 514 00:29:52,250 --> 00:29:49,110 could at best to a torque and upper-body 515 00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:52,260 strength as number of them as good does 516 00:30:01,160 --> 00:29:57,840 you know I can run forever so just all 517 00:30:04,190 --> 00:30:01,170 of a sudden one evening I point out it 518 00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,200 was like I didn't weigh anything that 519 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:07,200 you know I wasn't pulling up more or 520 00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:10,650 less almost floating and I did you know 521 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:12,600 maybe 20 in a row and just stopped 522 00:30:19,940 --> 00:30:16,730 because you know taking up too much time 523 00:30:24,140 --> 00:30:19,950 Wow well I've never been able to do a 524 00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:24,150 pull-up at all so I'm in awe of that but 525 00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:26,580 which brings me to the whole idea that 526 00:30:32,030 --> 00:30:29,580 you you have quite a regimen to keep 527 00:30:34,490 --> 00:30:32,040 yourself physically fit you travel 528 00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:34,500 around the world you go to Mongolia you 529 00:30:42,410 --> 00:30:38,820 go you go to South America and you seem 530 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:42,420 to emerge virtually unscathed where I 531 00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:45,330 think that I probably would you know 532 00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:48,960 come down with berry berry or something 533 00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:51,960 terrible so I'm probably less than an 534 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:53,870 hour out of the pool now 535 00:30:58,220 --> 00:30:56,130 so you weren't you were you were saying 536 00:31:00,680 --> 00:30:58,230 you swim quite a great deal to stay 537 00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,690 inside I do right swim probably a mile 538 00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:02,640 at least six days a week and that's 539 00:31:12,670 --> 00:31:04,620 because the pools closed on the seventh 540 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:12,680 but all the time that's that's very good 541 00:31:18,770 --> 00:31:14,410 great exercise 542 00:31:23,660 --> 00:31:18,780 a whole body everything's moving and 543 00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:23,670 low-impact I ran for many decades and 544 00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:27,520 eventually you pay a price and knees and 545 00:31:36,210 --> 00:31:32,080 ankle but not so bad as swimming is 546 00:31:38,370 --> 00:31:36,220 quite amazing well I guess you do need 547 00:31:47,550 --> 00:31:38,380 some impact though to keep keep your 548 00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:47,560 bones good working on us there's no 549 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:48,640 problem there 550 00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:52,330 commit now you do have about astronauts 551 00:32:00,780 --> 00:31:54,310 are in space for long periods of time to 552 00:32:03,630 --> 00:32:00,790 have degradation of bones but well you 553 00:32:06,420 --> 00:32:03,640 also go into SCI and the martial arts 554 00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:06,430 which and also in just in sports in 555 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:09,190 general you know there's so much 556 00:32:14,250 --> 00:32:12,010 psychology I would you say I guess 557 00:32:16,830 --> 00:32:14,260 psychology or whatever we're people 558 00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:16,840 doing sports will sort of go beyond 559 00:32:22,830 --> 00:32:19,120 human abilities for at least a short 560 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:22,840 period of time but the thing that always 561 00:32:29,790 --> 00:32:27,010 amazed me was the gymnast and they'll do 562 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:29,800 it time and time again I mean that to me 563 00:32:34,590 --> 00:32:32,530 is supernatural what seriously what 564 00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:34,600 these young women do and the young men 565 00:32:40,170 --> 00:32:36,640 especially on the Rings I find 566 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:40,180 unbelievable but you find that they have 567 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:41,770 to sort of prep themselves 568 00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:44,050 psychologically before entering a 569 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:44,740 contest 570 00:32:54,890 --> 00:32:51,330 oh well no we've long known that the 571 00:32:59,880 --> 00:32:54,900 metal preparation is at least as 572 00:33:02,670 --> 00:32:59,890 important as physical and that when he 573 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:02,680 talks about the Warriors edge and even 574 00:33:08,730 --> 00:33:04,810 here I talk a lot about NLP 575 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:08,740 neuro-linguistic programming and some of 576 00:33:16,790 --> 00:33:11,530 the research we did with them with the 577 00:33:20,970 --> 00:33:16,800 ancient Jedi Project as you find that 578 00:33:21,870 --> 00:33:20,980 yeah that mental rehearsal is certainly 579 00:33:34,050 --> 00:33:21,880 as 580 00:33:37,620 --> 00:33:34,060 Army Intelligence and Security Command 581 00:33:43,710 --> 00:33:37,630 and we what we were doing we had I've 582 00:33:47,250 --> 00:33:43,720 had multi agencies well I'll just say 583 00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:47,260 several agencies were involved and a lot 584 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:49,360 of things we had in common is everybody 585 00:33:56,670 --> 00:33:53,530 shopped things and most of the things 586 00:34:01,380 --> 00:33:56,680 with NLP is you know it was designed to 587 00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:01,390 fix broken people we were questioning 588 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:03,670 how can we take people who are already 589 00:34:13,619 --> 00:34:08,649 good and you know make them excel make 590 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:13,629 them better and so in this case and what 591 00:34:18,810 --> 00:34:16,330 we liked about shooting was is highly 592 00:34:21,090 --> 00:34:18,820 quantifiable you get the targeting you 593 00:34:28,740 --> 00:34:21,100 didn't you can't say I fell X amount 594 00:34:31,830 --> 00:34:28,750 better or something so we took the well 595 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:31,840 the best 45 shooters in the world which 596 00:34:37,530 --> 00:34:34,570 happened to be in the army and we had 597 00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:37,540 the army champion the inter-service 598 00:34:44,490 --> 00:34:41,520 champion and their boss and we modeled 599 00:34:46,350 --> 00:34:44,500 what they did what and what made them 600 00:34:48,690 --> 00:34:46,360 good our question is what's the 601 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:48,700 difference it makes a difference and we 602 00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,490 frankly found that we could stress them 603 00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:53,919 in various ways we could make them get 604 00:35:01,140 --> 00:34:57,250 far off balance and they could still 605 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:01,150 shoot very effectively but if we made 606 00:35:05,490 --> 00:35:03,850 them do meth Alexis oh like home mary 607 00:35:09,090 --> 00:35:05,500 had a little lamb while they were 608 00:35:12,510 --> 00:35:09,100 shooting he went to hell immediately so 609 00:35:14,670 --> 00:35:12,520 we found out very quickly that you know 610 00:35:16,980 --> 00:35:14,680 the muscle memory could have come for 611 00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:16,990 some things but the mental aspects of it 612 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:19,230 were absolutely critical 613 00:35:25,650 --> 00:35:22,650 well that that kind of reminds me of 614 00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:25,660 doing creative visualization which is 615 00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:28,030 something that I do and I understand 616 00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:30,310 that people who are in sports like 617 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:33,700 tennis players and golfers and so forth 618 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:35,050 where it's a 619 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:38,290 kind of repetitive thing that they can 620 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:40,810 visualize doing better that that works 621 00:35:50,250 --> 00:35:45,850 quite well why are the the models we 622 00:35:54,060 --> 00:35:50,260 were using was so good now well what 623 00:35:57,650 --> 00:35:54,070 they would do before a match is they 624 00:36:01,380 --> 00:35:57,660 would shoot the entire match not just 625 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:01,390 practice how do I take a shot but they 626 00:36:08,010 --> 00:36:05,850 would go through every aspect of the mat 627 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:08,020 one of the things I might point out that 628 00:36:17,070 --> 00:36:11,650 we've also found was that their styles 629 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:17,080 were very differently very different he 630 00:36:24,990 --> 00:36:22,510 we had one who if you interrupted him at 631 00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:25,000 any point he would stop what he was 632 00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:27,250 doing take off his hat take off his 633 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:30,430 glasses unload his weapon put it back in 634 00:36:35,340 --> 00:36:33,130 the box then take the weapon out of the 635 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:35,350 box load the weapon put off the thing 636 00:36:41,370 --> 00:36:38,410 and go through this exquisite routine 637 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:41,380 and then we had the other one who 638 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:44,410 interrupted him and he go okay back in 639 00:36:50,430 --> 00:36:46,690 and go back to shooting so what we knew 640 00:36:52,350 --> 00:36:50,440 from that was that you didn't have to 641 00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:52,360 unload the weapon and put it back in the 642 00:36:57,060 --> 00:36:54,550 box and go through all this long 643 00:36:59,460 --> 00:36:57,070 laborious thing although that is what he 644 00:37:02,400 --> 00:36:59,470 did but what we were looking for what 645 00:37:04,380 --> 00:37:02,410 you'd call a critical path model what is 646 00:37:07,890 --> 00:37:04,390 it that all of these people are doing 647 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:07,900 that they have in common and then can we 648 00:37:14,060 --> 00:37:11,050 transition that into something that can 649 00:37:15,870 --> 00:37:14,070 be used to train other people 650 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:15,880 understanding what are the critical 651 00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:20,530 elements did you find that being in the 652 00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:23,710 group in other words that let's say you 653 00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:26,350 said you had 45 shooters but whether it 654 00:37:32,850 --> 00:37:30,430 be 45 45 is a pistol that's the caliber 655 00:37:38,610 --> 00:37:32,860 of a pistol oh no no I'm sorry I 656 00:37:40,050 --> 00:37:38,620 misunderstood earlier and anybody who's 657 00:37:43,380 --> 00:37:40,060 worked with the military that will 658 00:37:46,260 --> 00:37:43,390 recognize 45 caliber like 9 millimeter 659 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:46,270 or 10 is actually about a equivalent of 660 00:37:52,609 --> 00:37:46,770 the 10 661 00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:52,619 meter pistol okay I think I was there 662 00:37:59,090 --> 00:37:54,900 were a group of people shooting I am 663 00:38:03,230 --> 00:37:59,100 thinking and if the group was like four 664 00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:03,240 or more did you find let's say or did 665 00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:05,640 you notice that being part of the group 666 00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,640 and and kind of intending if you will 667 00:38:11,740 --> 00:38:10,800 together that this thing was going to 668 00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:11,750 happen 669 00:38:18,620 --> 00:38:14,760 couldn't help like the more than one 670 00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:18,630 person intending no because they're 671 00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:21,119 operating independently but I'll tell 672 00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:23,220 you where that does take over I 673 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:25,980 mentioned before that I've done a lot of 674 00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:32,970 running very early in my career you know 675 00:38:40,580 --> 00:38:35,640 I went to Ranger School and came out as 676 00:38:44,060 --> 00:38:40,590 a sergeant and was then sent to 101st 677 00:38:49,690 --> 00:38:44,070 airborne jump school as an instructor 678 00:38:52,910 --> 00:38:49,700 and so we as as such we took people out 679 00:38:55,370 --> 00:38:52,920 runs you see three two you know the 680 00:38:59,000 --> 00:38:55,380 final one was like five mile run and 681 00:39:01,880 --> 00:38:59,010 what you find out very quickly is that 682 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:01,890 when everybody gets in step the cadence 683 00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:04,890 is there everybody's running it's very 684 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:08,040 smooth it's effortless and we're not you 685 00:39:13,010 --> 00:39:10,890 have one person that gets out of 686 00:39:15,020 --> 00:39:13,020 synchronization with it and it can 687 00:39:19,390 --> 00:39:15,030 destroy the whole you know a whole 688 00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:19,400 platoon if you will but yeah yeah 689 00:39:26,349 --> 00:39:23,280 synchronization people just get it it'll 690 00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:26,359 pick you up and carry the group alone 691 00:39:32,540 --> 00:39:29,220 well you know just to relate it to 692 00:39:36,140 --> 00:39:32,550 something that that is familiar to me is 693 00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,150 that you know I often have people they 694 00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:38,160 tell me they want to get a particular 695 00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,680 job and they put their their name down 696 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:42,720 for a job they went for an interview and 697 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:45,330 so forth and I often tell them to 698 00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:47,250 visualize getting the phone call 699 00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:49,920 visualize what the person's going to say 700 00:39:54,740 --> 00:39:51,960 to them because if it's at a tipping 701 00:39:57,530 --> 00:39:54,750 point where it's at the 40 to 60% aisle 702 00:40:00,020 --> 00:39:57,540 that they're going to get the job by by 703 00:40:00,770 --> 00:40:00,030 this visualization they can put it over 704 00:40:03,140 --> 00:40:00,780 the edge 705 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:03,150 furthermore if they get their mother or 706 00:40:07,940 --> 00:40:05,250 their cousin or their best friend or 707 00:40:09,140 --> 00:40:07,950 their significant other to visualize it 708 00:40:11,540 --> 00:40:09,150 - if they can get two or three more 709 00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:11,550 people to do it why that will even bring 710 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:14,700 them closer - pushing pushing things off 711 00:40:21,790 --> 00:40:19,650 the tipping point okay well I just 712 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:21,800 wondered if you if you found any 713 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:26,490 agreement in that oh I put that in the 714 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:30,090 one that I've heard have not seen any 715 00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:32,610 you know like hard evidence that would 716 00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:41,390 there are so many facts again if I get 717 00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:44,310 back to let me transition this to 718 00:40:54,110 --> 00:40:50,880 another chapter in reality denied and I 719 00:40:58,070 --> 00:40:54,120 think I'll make the correlation and that 720 00:41:03,380 --> 00:40:58,080 has to do with healing and I mentioned 721 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:03,390 in there visiting John of God oh wow yep 722 00:41:09,130 --> 00:41:05,850 edenia in Brazil I've seen him a couple 723 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:09,140 of times and it's been a huge change 724 00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:11,610 first time we saw him there were a few 725 00:41:18,590 --> 00:41:16,110 hundred people of the last time three 726 00:41:21,830 --> 00:41:18,600 years ago now there were thousands I 727 00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:21,840 would also point out this is post Oprah 728 00:41:27,980 --> 00:41:26,040 Oprah went down and did an entire week 729 00:41:31,250 --> 00:41:27,990 down there but it's not just these 730 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:31,260 people come from around the world and 731 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:34,290 the point is that there's a room there 732 00:41:41,450 --> 00:41:38,010 that I've taken pictures of and is 733 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:41,460 filled with crutches and braces and 734 00:41:48,860 --> 00:41:45,330 wheelchairs and all of that having said 735 00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:48,870 that I said that they were there last 736 00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,260 time there were thousands coming in and 737 00:42:01,930 --> 00:41:55,200 everybody who came in a wheelchair left 738 00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:01,940 in a wheelchair but I still say it works 739 00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:05,940 and my personal experience at that time 740 00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:08,280 you probably know Whitley Strieber 741 00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:14,160 sure I have identified 742 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:16,020 what happened with with his permission 743 00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:20,730 but at the time Anne was very ill and I 744 00:42:27,380 --> 00:42:23,220 had recommended that they go down they 745 00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:27,390 said that did not feel that that they 746 00:42:32,359 --> 00:42:30,329 could handle the trip but they knew I 747 00:42:33,740 --> 00:42:32,369 was going down for other purposes but 748 00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:33,750 stopping by 749 00:42:40,430 --> 00:42:37,079 Aberdeen iya so I took at a picture of 750 00:42:44,210 --> 00:42:40,440 Anne and put it in one of their prayer 751 00:42:46,579 --> 00:42:44,220 stations and work with that for a bit 752 00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:46,589 now they knew I was going to Brazil but 753 00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:49,049 they didn't know exactly when or where 754 00:42:57,980 --> 00:42:54,480 so I then sent Whitley a email and said 755 00:43:01,069 --> 00:42:57,990 all right we have you know I here's what 756 00:43:05,660 --> 00:43:01,079 I did and when and all of that and the 757 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:05,670 response was that was one of the best 758 00:43:11,569 --> 00:43:08,970 few days that she has had shown 759 00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:11,579 improvement obviously did not survive it 760 00:43:19,819 --> 00:43:16,500 but you know significantly improved you 761 00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:19,829 know the big question that this leads to 762 00:43:27,289 --> 00:43:24,510 is why is it that the these sorts of 763 00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:27,299 interactions with consciousness be that 764 00:43:34,730 --> 00:43:30,089 short-term to get a job be a long-term 765 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:34,740 for healing that sometimes they work and 766 00:43:41,180 --> 00:43:38,010 other times they don't this is why I say 767 00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:41,190 it's at least as complex as cancer and 768 00:43:50,299 --> 00:43:45,569 we need to begin to explore you know 769 00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,309 some of these areas well you going to 770 00:43:54,740 --> 00:43:52,079 build Bengston sorry 771 00:43:59,599 --> 00:43:54,750 you going to build Bengston and and his 772 00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:59,609 healing his healing work with basically 773 00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:02,640 mice and then furthermore with people 774 00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:06,960 and so it does seem to be very positive 775 00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:11,640 that that healing does seem to happen 776 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:14,609 with through consciousness at some time 777 00:44:21,980 --> 00:44:18,210 sometimes as you say well it does and of 778 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:21,990 course builds a friend the little blurbs 779 00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:26,250 for the book and I did write to as if 780 00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:31,110 efforts I have taken his training ah now 781 00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:35,040 with people one of the explanations is 782 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:38,720 that it was psychosomatic and that they 783 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:41,610 wanted to get well so they did in 784 00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:45,210 response as opposed to it's an actual 785 00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:48,540 psychic intervention you can't say that 786 00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,110 with mice because the mice we do not 787 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:54,560 believe have a consciousness at a level 788 00:45:00,620 --> 00:44:56,570 where they would have the cognitive 789 00:45:03,530 --> 00:45:00,630 capability to understand what's going on 790 00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:03,540 and yet we see these repeated 791 00:45:09,380 --> 00:45:05,910 experiments that are replicated in other 792 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:09,390 laboratories when them mice get better 793 00:45:16,070 --> 00:45:12,450 you know they have cancer induced into 794 00:45:17,590 --> 00:45:16,080 them and they actually live longer than 795 00:45:21,610 --> 00:45:17,600 they should have under normal 796 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:21,620 circumstances had they never been ill 797 00:45:27,830 --> 00:45:25,050 it's it's quite an amazing I I recently 798 00:45:30,830 --> 00:45:27,840 went down to Princeton to see Bill give 799 00:45:34,340 --> 00:45:30,840 a second lecture of beyond the one that 800 00:45:37,870 --> 00:45:34,350 he did up at up and Yale so he's quite 801 00:45:40,730 --> 00:45:37,880 he's quite an interesting and innovative 802 00:45:44,060 --> 00:45:40,740 gentleman that we hope to have on as 803 00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:44,070 well one of the things that I've that's 804 00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:47,250 always impressed me about you John is 805 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:50,220 that you know everybody you've met 806 00:46:00,530 --> 00:45:57,290 everybody you have so many contacts 807 00:46:01,580 --> 00:46:00,540 reality denied is that Elizabeth 808 00:46:05,090 --> 00:46:01,590 kubler-ross 809 00:46:09,620 --> 00:46:05,100 who basically brought hospice to the 810 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:09,630 u.s. ended up served definitely as the 811 00:46:17,140 --> 00:46:13,010 head of my committee for my dissertation 812 00:46:20,110 --> 00:46:17,150 that and itself isn't as an interesting 813 00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:20,120 anecdote because what happened is I had 814 00:46:25,970 --> 00:46:23,520 attended one of her workshops of life 815 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:25,980 death and transition I thought it was 816 00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:29,970 really powerful so I sent her a letter I 817 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:32,400 was working assigned in at Fort 818 00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:35,130 McPherson which is in Atlanta Georgia 819 00:46:41,300 --> 00:46:39,510 area and the center a letter 820 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:41,310 that gee thanks you don't really 821 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:45,330 appreciate it meaningful experience a 822 00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:48,570 few weeks later I got a call from her 823 00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:52,800 office that said elizabeth is going to 824 00:46:58,910 --> 00:46:55,560 be passing through Atlanta if she has a 825 00:47:03,560 --> 00:46:58,920 few hours there could you meet her well 826 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:03,570 the obvious answer will of course so at 827 00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:05,850 the time I was getting ready to do a 828 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:07,710 dissertation in a slightly different 829 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:12,330 area but so I went to the airport and 830 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:16,170 met Elizabeth at the time when you could 831 00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:17,850 you know go out to the gates you know 832 00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:21,390 everything mm-hmm both of those strict 833 00:47:27,110 --> 00:47:24,900 as it is now turnout met her and we go 834 00:47:30,110 --> 00:47:27,120 off to sit down and she says she says 835 00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:30,120 you know I know thousands of people in 836 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:33,060 Atlanta and I chose you to call and I 837 00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:38,130 have no idea why and so I said well I'm 838 00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:39,510 supposed to I think I was supposed to 839 00:47:45,850 --> 00:47:42,480 ask you a question you know would you 840 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:45,860 head the committee and she says oh yes 841 00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:47,850 everything and that's how it happened 842 00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:49,560 they say the rest is history 843 00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:52,020 well that is very very cool the person 844 00:47:58,610 --> 00:47:55,110 that you have met that I have often 845 00:48:02,480 --> 00:47:58,620 wondered about and will never meet 846 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:02,490 on in 3-d or 4d this time around because 847 00:48:12,140 --> 00:48:09,570 she's passed is Andres and Mirage and so 848 00:48:17,150 --> 00:48:12,150 I was wondering about your impressions 849 00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:17,160 of him how you met him and so forth hmm 850 00:48:25,220 --> 00:48:21,960 how did I meet him again goes way way 851 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:25,230 back I think it probably had to do with 852 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:28,850 metalbending when Jack Hawke was 853 00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:37,530 starting the process and he was Andre Oh 854 00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,760 was in the kind of a circle but as you 855 00:48:47,390 --> 00:48:43,760 know he had been researching these areas 856 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:47,400 decades before that I'm talking my 857 00:48:56,330 --> 00:48:50,730 interaction was probably early 1980s 858 00:49:00,320 --> 00:48:56,340 81-82 time frame and Jack Hawk was 859 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:00,330 working based on what we Geller had done 860 00:49:06,260 --> 00:49:03,930 with metalbending making it to it now 861 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:06,270 known in many communities as the spoon 862 00:49:13,460 --> 00:49:09,450 bending parties I might mention at the 863 00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:13,470 end of relateed night I put in a annex 864 00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:18,510 on how one goes about that but we were 865 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:25,619 having a new session at my house and 866 00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:30,050 well actually was apartment high-rise in 867 00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:36,000 Alexandria and aundrea and seven Gaiman 868 00:49:43,609 --> 00:49:39,900 who was an amazing psychic was there and 869 00:49:46,609 --> 00:49:43,619 of course double bind and what happened 870 00:49:51,310 --> 00:49:46,619 at that event is the thing that led us 871 00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:51,320 into doing research in the area of 872 00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,060 psychokinesis but after that Andre and I 873 00:50:02,330 --> 00:49:59,040 just kept in touch and we I would just 874 00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:02,340 periodically meet with him kind of just 875 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:05,310 generically his friends well that must 876 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:08,010 have been very fascinating and I was 877 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:10,050 going to mention towards the end of our 878 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:12,450 interview about that chapter in your 879 00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,090 book about holding a spoon bending party 880 00:50:19,849 --> 00:50:17,760 having been to you know the Monroe 881 00:50:22,849 --> 00:50:19,859 Institute a number of times and having 882 00:50:25,790 --> 00:50:22,859 done some of that and experienced it not 883 00:50:28,130 --> 00:50:25,800 not to the extent where things just bent 884 00:50:29,810 --> 00:50:28,140 without me touching it but more or less 885 00:50:32,359 --> 00:50:29,820 that the spoons when you get into that 886 00:50:34,220 --> 00:50:32,369 zone whatever it is it's sort of like 887 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:34,230 when you bend the spoon it's like 888 00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:36,570 putting the amount of effort that you 889 00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:39,660 would put in to bending a heavy-duty 890 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:43,680 aluminum foil type of situation and it 891 00:50:52,460 --> 00:50:46,890 just kind of bends it seems sort of warm 892 00:50:56,540 --> 00:50:52,470 and molten but but the effects vary 893 00:51:00,349 --> 00:50:56,550 greatly and those are all real and can 894 00:51:01,590 --> 00:51:00,359 be experienced what happened at this 895 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:01,600 particular evening 896 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:04,290 it was the second session I had attended 897 00:51:11,790 --> 00:51:08,890 and we held it specifically for double 898 00:51:14,460 --> 00:51:11,800 buying so he could see you know what it 899 00:51:17,790 --> 00:51:14,470 was like and we were sitting in kind of 900 00:51:20,430 --> 00:51:17,800 an oval and it just happened that they 901 00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:20,440 said and Gaiman who's a very well-known 902 00:51:30,540 --> 00:51:24,390 psychic was sitting directly across from 903 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:30,550 Andrea and his dumb wife Pam captain Joe 904 00:51:35,780 --> 00:51:33,010 Dicky and a few other people were a 905 00:51:38,820 --> 00:51:35,790 little bit further off to my right and 906 00:51:42,780 --> 00:51:38,830 we get to the final session which 907 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:42,790 includes no physical manipulation you 908 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:49,170 simply hold the two forks together and 909 00:51:57,930 --> 00:51:54,370 what happened was that things are sort 910 00:52:01,530 --> 00:51:57,940 of winding down and it was holding her 911 00:52:04,770 --> 00:52:01,540 to Forks up and all of a sudden in front 912 00:52:08,550 --> 00:52:04,780 of Bourke which was important dropped to 913 00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:08,560 full 90 degrees and that's with no 914 00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:10,960 touching you know other than holding at 915 00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:13,390 the base but no physical force applied 916 00:52:22,370 --> 00:52:16,720 and thus we went in the corner huddle 917 00:52:27,410 --> 00:52:22,380 says oh my god what just happened yeah 918 00:52:30,180 --> 00:52:27,420 we had I mean those sorts of bends occur 919 00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:30,190 once a while you don't see that dramatic 920 00:52:37,020 --> 00:52:32,710 we saw a lot where you might see tines 921 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:37,030 Bend again in isolation without physical 922 00:52:45,660 --> 00:52:42,370 contact but we have several I described 923 00:52:47,870 --> 00:52:45,670 some in the book were you know I learned 924 00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:47,880 how to teach this and we were doing it 925 00:52:54,420 --> 00:52:50,800 might mention the important aspect of 926 00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:54,430 this we were using this with senior 927 00:52:59,760 --> 00:52:58,210 military officers and I would also get 928 00:53:03,240 --> 00:52:59,770 questions like what you guys they've 929 00:53:07,530 --> 00:53:03,250 been tank barrels say no I want to move 930 00:53:09,570 --> 00:53:07,540 electrons because digitisation was just 931 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:09,580 coming in computers were being adopted 932 00:53:14,180 --> 00:53:13,210 and said I don't need to actually ruin 933 00:53:17,570 --> 00:53:14,190 computers are you 934 00:53:22,310 --> 00:53:17,580 have to make them unreliable but our 935 00:53:24,620 --> 00:53:22,320 point and you know presenting this to 936 00:53:27,620 --> 00:53:24,630 the senior officers and this was 937 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:27,630 intelligence community and and the point 938 00:53:33,890 --> 00:53:32,010 was do not just reject things because 939 00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:33,900 you don't believe it can be done 940 00:53:39,830 --> 00:53:37,680 we have been blindsided a few times it 941 00:53:42,980 --> 00:53:39,840 was then the former you know Soviet 942 00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:42,990 Union certain things emerged that caught 943 00:53:47,330 --> 00:53:45,720 us unexpected and then when you went 944 00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,340 back and look you found out the 945 00:53:52,910 --> 00:53:49,920 information was there it had just been 946 00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:52,920 rejected because you know we didn't know 947 00:53:58,970 --> 00:53:56,000 how to do it now you know with the 948 00:54:00,560 --> 00:53:58,980 egocentricity of Americans you know if 949 00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:00,570 we don't know how to do it nobody else 950 00:54:08,510 --> 00:54:06,240 possibly could well you know earlier on 951 00:54:11,420 --> 00:54:08,520 you had mentioned the Hadron Collider 952 00:54:15,140 --> 00:54:11,430 which keeps breaking down matter into 953 00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:15,150 smaller and smaller particles but would 954 00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:16,800 you let me just quote from your book 955 00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:20,760 again you state that more important when 956 00:54:26,780 --> 00:54:23,400 viewed in aggregate the evidence in 957 00:54:29,540 --> 00:54:26,790 favor of multiple phenomena physically 958 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:29,550 interacting with humans and consensus 959 00:54:34,930 --> 00:54:32,490 reality is overwhelming so what you're 960 00:54:37,340 --> 00:54:34,940 trying to say with all these facts in 961 00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:37,350 sort of episodes that you've described 962 00:54:42,050 --> 00:54:39,870 is that you believe that there is an 963 00:54:44,540 --> 00:54:42,060 underlying reality that has not yet been 964 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:44,550 discovered or even really thoroughly 965 00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:45,810 researched is that correct 966 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:48,960 well I disagree absolutely discovered 967 00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:52,890 it's ignored but but it is it is 968 00:55:01,370 --> 00:54:56,760 happening right in front of us and just 969 00:55:04,610 --> 00:55:01,380 is a priori just regarded well it's true 970 00:55:06,620 --> 00:55:04,620 but then so your thesis really is that 971 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:06,630 this should obviously not been disregard 972 00:55:13,310 --> 00:55:09,650 to but more thoroughly researched well 973 00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:13,320 into the open I think one of the 974 00:55:19,730 --> 00:55:15,780 critical issues is the importance of 975 00:55:26,050 --> 00:55:19,740 belief systems and I often point to 976 00:55:27,710 --> 00:55:26,060 Brazil in this case point is in the West 977 00:55:29,660 --> 00:55:27,720 Western 978 00:55:31,970 --> 00:55:29,670 or in education we have this 979 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:31,980 materialistic view which is very 980 00:55:38,210 --> 00:55:35,130 delimiting as to what can and cannot be 981 00:55:41,210 --> 00:55:38,220 accepted when I deal with the shamans I 982 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:41,220 talk about you know a spirit world and 983 00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:43,410 the real world now in the West if you 984 00:55:50,780 --> 00:55:46,920 even accept the possibility you see them 985 00:55:54,910 --> 00:55:50,790 as separate and distinct my point in 986 00:55:59,390 --> 00:55:54,920 Brazil is that you have people who are 987 00:56:03,940 --> 00:55:59,400 very highly educated normally in Western 988 00:56:07,550 --> 00:56:03,950 traditions and yet they have integrated 989 00:56:10,010 --> 00:56:07,560 spiritism and you know all of these 990 00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,020 spiritual aspects into their life and 991 00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:12,960 are willing to accept that these things 992 00:56:18,050 --> 00:56:15,599 occur if you assume that they don't 993 00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:18,060 occur then why would you research them 994 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:23,910 but they absolutely do occur in UFOs we 995 00:56:31,180 --> 00:56:27,170 you know we talk about alien beings and 996 00:56:34,070 --> 00:56:31,190 interactions I point out that throughout 997 00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:34,080 human history there are reports of 998 00:56:42,740 --> 00:56:37,369 humans dealing with sentient non-human 999 00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:42,750 intelligent beings and this shows up in 1000 00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:47,250 every culture globally there's no you 1001 00:56:54,109 --> 00:56:51,510 know Geographic restrictions on it and 1002 00:56:57,050 --> 00:56:54,119 so the question has got to be why are 1003 00:57:00,320 --> 00:56:57,060 these things occurring and yet when they 1004 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:00,330 get reported in Western civilization it 1005 00:57:05,180 --> 00:57:02,210 is just assumed that it must be a 1006 00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:05,190 hallucination yet we have strong 1007 00:57:11,060 --> 00:57:07,980 evidence for physical interactions that 1008 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:11,070 take place so so you're saying that the 1009 00:57:15,620 --> 00:57:13,770 Western belief systems are what actually 1010 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:15,630 is holding back research into these 1011 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:19,170 phenomena absolutely that's interesting 1012 00:57:27,230 --> 00:57:21,930 and yet it certainly has also produced 1013 00:57:30,859 --> 00:57:27,240 some excellent results and I think the 1014 00:57:32,839 --> 00:57:30,869 original paradigm of science was such 1015 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:32,849 that did produce better results and I 1016 00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:34,530 have to agree with you I think that the 1017 00:57:40,650 --> 00:57:37,170 materialistic belief system is starting 1018 00:57:43,110 --> 00:57:40,660 to overwhelm even science 1019 00:57:46,670 --> 00:57:43,120 I've talked to that extensively in the 1020 00:57:51,570 --> 00:57:46,680 Balkans they don't take this my position 1021 00:57:54,810 --> 00:57:51,580 in reality tonight as being anti science 1022 00:57:59,780 --> 00:57:54,820 right science has produced many wonders 1023 00:58:02,490 --> 00:57:59,790 we have expanded you know extended life 1024 00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:02,500 considerably if you look at just what 1025 00:58:08,310 --> 00:58:04,960 happened in the last decade I'm sorry 1026 00:58:09,780 --> 00:58:08,320 the last century for instance the things 1027 00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:09,790 that have occurred throughout the world 1028 00:58:15,660 --> 00:58:13,270 you know and from a practical standpoint 1029 00:58:17,850 --> 00:58:15,670 you know if you throw the switch on the 1030 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:17,860 light you want the light to go on most 1031 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:21,610 of the time it works and most of the 1032 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:24,250 time is good enough for many of the 1033 00:58:31,410 --> 00:58:27,370 things that we do what I'm interested in 1034 00:58:34,170 --> 00:58:31,420 are the things that don't fall into most 1035 00:58:38,420 --> 00:58:34,180 of the time white ghost showing up in 1036 00:58:41,580 --> 00:58:38,430 your bedroom or levitation or you know 1037 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:41,590 interaction with entities or spontaneous 1038 00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:44,890 healing those are the ones that interest 1039 00:58:50,790 --> 00:58:47,440 me but the problem with all of them is 1040 00:58:53,850 --> 00:58:50,800 that they are a one-time event that the 1041 00:58:56,430 --> 00:58:53,860 data is difficult to collect on them not 1042 00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,440 that it's impossible but again I would 1043 00:59:00,450 --> 00:58:58,720 say to be able to collect it effectively 1044 00:59:02,910 --> 00:59:00,460 you would have to alter the belief 1045 00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:02,920 system and the whole paradigm of 1046 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:05,680 Sciences is recognized today just for 1047 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:08,050 example when Fleming found that bread 1048 00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:11,410 mold inhibited bacteria a lot of people 1049 00:59:16,050 --> 00:59:13,510 would have said well so what you know 1050 00:59:18,210 --> 00:59:16,060 and yet he went on to further that 1051 00:59:22,170 --> 00:59:18,220 investigation up against some serious 1052 00:59:25,950 --> 00:59:22,180 odds Marie Curie is another one but I I 1053 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:25,960 think the older scientist had a little 1054 00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:28,450 bit easier time of overcoming a belief 1055 00:59:31,980 --> 00:59:30,490 system that's become seriously 1056 00:59:35,850 --> 00:59:31,990 entrenched and I think that's what 1057 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:41,980 well yeah like I say our problem is a 1058 00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:45,650 belief structure that does not allow for 1059 00:59:52,030 --> 00:59:48,770 anything that is not preordained 1060 00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:52,040 you know we limit research and as I said 1061 00:59:57,790 --> 00:59:55,340 before you know what we need is to get 1062 01:00:00,610 --> 00:59:57,800 the best and brightest people and allow 1063 01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:00,620 them to doing it without you know 1064 01:00:05,980 --> 01:00:03,110 risking their reputation or livelihood I 1065 01:00:11,740 --> 01:00:05,990 put my experience in there but they 1066 01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:11,750 defer to John Mack no you know it was a 1067 01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:15,920 premier psychiatrist Pulitzer 1068 01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:17,110 prize-winner 1069 01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:21,920 and he wrote about alien abductions and 1070 01:00:28,570 --> 01:00:26,450 because of that is sanctioned by you 1071 01:00:30,910 --> 01:00:28,580 know Harvard University he was a tenured 1072 01:00:33,580 --> 01:00:30,920 professor things that are not supposed 1073 01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:33,590 to happen we're done to him strictly 1074 01:00:41,140 --> 01:00:37,370 because of the topic not because of you 1075 01:00:43,450 --> 01:00:41,150 know how he went about it same with Bob 1076 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:43,460 John who was Dean and School of 1077 01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:46,970 Engineering at Princeton yes and I point 1078 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:49,910 to the book you know how how that was 1079 01:00:54,700 --> 01:00:51,890 treated even after he left and these 1080 01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:54,710 people have impeccable credentials 1081 01:01:00,310 --> 01:00:57,680 Peter Sturrock who wrote a book that I 1082 01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:00,320 recommend Tale of Two Sciences 1083 01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:04,640 again he comes with impeccable Sciences 1084 01:01:12,790 --> 01:01:07,910 a standard impeccable credentials of 1085 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:12,800 Stanford University and his work on 1086 01:01:20,650 --> 01:01:16,570 microwave research is considered premier 1087 01:01:24,340 --> 01:01:20,660 his work with UFOs is considered heresy 1088 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:24,350 well heretic it's a bad thing to be a 1089 01:01:30,910 --> 01:01:28,490 heretic that's what you can't you know 1090 01:01:35,350 --> 01:01:30,920 we talk now about people who were big 1091 01:01:37,570 --> 01:01:35,360 enough that they you know they didn't 1092 01:01:42,130 --> 01:01:37,580 get fired over that although they tried 1093 01:01:45,790 --> 01:01:42,140 with John Mack but you know are 1094 01:01:48,310 --> 01:01:45,800 considered to be heretics and you can't 1095 01:01:49,810 --> 01:01:48,320 go to young scientists or come on 1096 01:01:52,090 --> 01:01:49,820 to make a living you know they're out 1097 01:01:55,390 --> 01:01:52,100 there and I have families they've gotta 1098 01:01:58,660 --> 01:01:55,400 be supportive but beans on the table is 1099 01:01:59,530 --> 01:01:58,670 one of my colleagues she used to say 1100 01:02:03,340 --> 01:01:59,540 about that 1101 01:02:07,900 --> 01:02:03,350 and you know if you get a reputation of 1102 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:07,910 dabbling too far afield it's going to 1103 01:02:13,690 --> 01:02:10,490 affect your livelihood because I really 1104 01:02:15,940 --> 01:02:13,700 a basic investigator hardly makes any 1105 01:02:18,310 --> 01:02:15,950 living as it is until they become head 1106 01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:18,320 of a lab and to get to be head of a lab 1107 01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:20,960 you cannot be a heretic because of 1108 01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:23,090 grants and I think you mentioned too 1109 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:25,520 that money talks and certainly big farm 1110 01:02:30,790 --> 01:02:28,130 it starts to play a part in Western 1111 01:02:33,310 --> 01:02:30,800 medicine as well and you know it's a 1112 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:33,320 shame that you can't somehow or other as 1113 01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:35,690 you said step not out of the box but 1114 01:02:42,610 --> 01:02:38,720 never be in the box at all but it is 1115 01:02:48,190 --> 01:02:42,620 difficult yeah I really think yeah I 1116 01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:48,200 really think I really don't like we 1117 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:50,450 mentioned it but III think you did a 1118 01:02:56,260 --> 01:02:52,970 great service by writing this book and I 1119 01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:56,270 hope you serve as a you know as an 1120 01:03:02,530 --> 01:02:58,880 example to people that do have enough 1121 01:03:04,330 --> 01:03:02,540 courage to stop you know just get out of 1122 01:03:06,070 --> 01:03:04,340 their own way and start investigating 1123 01:03:08,770 --> 01:03:06,080 what they want to investigate because 1124 01:03:10,780 --> 01:03:08,780 you're an excellent example you seem to 1125 01:03:12,550 --> 01:03:10,790 have had a wonderful life and a very 1126 01:03:16,420 --> 01:03:12,560 interesting career and I hope people 1127 01:03:19,090 --> 01:03:16,430 take courage from that before we take 1128 01:03:22,750 --> 01:03:19,100 too much of your time I see that we are 1129 01:03:27,220 --> 01:03:22,760 just about at an hour but I do do want 1130 01:03:30,190 --> 01:03:27,230 to mention concurrent to what kate has 1131 01:03:34,180 --> 01:03:30,200 said that I kind of think that many 1132 01:03:36,700 --> 01:03:34,190 people are also exhibit fear because if 1133 01:03:39,850 --> 01:03:36,710 you live in a mechanistic universe very 1134 01:03:42,850 --> 01:03:39,860 materialistic a mechanistic view of 1135 01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:42,860 reality things can be controlled and I 1136 01:03:47,950 --> 01:03:45,110 think that some of the people that hold 1137 01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:47,960 fast to this mechanistic point of view 1138 01:03:53,770 --> 01:03:51,050 are terrified of the the idea that 1139 01:03:57,220 --> 01:03:53,780 things are perhaps out of their control 1140 01:04:00,820 --> 01:03:57,230 and that there are unseen forces that 1141 01:04:02,050 --> 01:04:00,830 aren't just you know physics basic 1142 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:02,060 physics 101 1143 01:04:08,980 --> 01:04:06,650 but beyond that I wanted to get to the 1144 01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:08,990 questions I have a couple questions from 1145 01:04:14,970 --> 01:04:11,570 listeners and I think you may have 1146 01:04:18,370 --> 01:04:14,980 answered one is from a couple here from 1147 01:04:22,300 --> 01:04:18,380 Freeman who has been he sees in the UK 1148 01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:22,310 he's a radar expert and he's very very 1149 01:04:27,460 --> 01:04:24,530 interested in the UFO phenomena so he 1150 01:04:29,950 --> 01:04:27,470 questions something about that he said 1151 01:04:32,530 --> 01:04:29,960 he says here given that both the US and 1152 01:04:35,230 --> 01:04:32,540 Russia have investigated and Exploited 1153 01:04:38,410 --> 01:04:35,240 paranormal effects like remote viewing 1154 01:04:41,110 --> 01:04:38,420 is it likely that rational et 1155 01:04:44,290 --> 01:04:41,120 civilizations would also research and 1156 01:04:47,470 --> 01:04:44,300 explore and exploit the paranormal so 1157 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:47,480 this is from Freeman one of our regular 1158 01:04:57,250 --> 01:04:51,650 listeners so I put that out to you is 1159 01:04:59,920 --> 01:04:57,260 that a question well he wants to know is 1160 01:05:02,530 --> 01:04:59,930 it likely that the ETS would also 1161 01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:02,540 receive a research and exploit the 1162 01:05:08,590 --> 01:05:04,850 paranormal I would have to say I don't 1163 01:05:12,430 --> 01:05:08,600 know but I don't know what you have oh I 1164 01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:12,440 think we did adjust that early on and it 1165 01:05:18,940 --> 01:05:16,640 is that my experience is that these 1166 01:05:21,940 --> 01:05:18,950 things are generally personality 1167 01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:21,950 dependent meaning that if you have 1168 01:05:28,090 --> 01:05:26,210 people who are positively disposed 1169 01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:28,100 towards it particularly in leadership 1170 01:05:35,530 --> 01:05:32,240 positions they will you know allow 1171 01:05:39,010 --> 01:05:35,540 certain research one of the examples 1172 01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:39,020 that I give him other book you oppose 1173 01:05:46,060 --> 01:05:42,770 this conspiracies realities is talking 1174 01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:46,070 to individual who had been the head of 1175 01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:49,210 one of our three-letter intelligence 1176 01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:53,570 agencies who said eh we don't do that 1177 01:05:59,830 --> 01:05:56,810 meaning the institution be I'll tell you 1178 01:06:03,840 --> 01:05:59,840 about the ones I saw so the point is 1179 01:06:06,580 --> 01:06:03,850 that his did not have his institution 1180 01:06:08,590 --> 01:06:06,590 exploring it that B had no trouble 1181 01:06:13,210 --> 01:06:08,600 believing it because he's actually seen 1182 01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,220 UFOs right right so I'm going to move on 1183 01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:15,200 to another listener question and then 1184 01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:15,490 I'm 1185 01:06:22,530 --> 01:06:18,490 ask you my final question that is not 1186 01:06:27,030 --> 01:06:22,540 about the book okay so the listener 1187 01:06:29,870 --> 01:06:27,040 question from will is any of the extreme 1188 01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:29,880 weather situations that we've been 1189 01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:33,330 experiencing are they possibly 1190 01:06:38,010 --> 01:06:36,160 engineered like the fires or the 1191 01:06:41,030 --> 01:06:38,020 Hurricanes given that you spoke about 1192 01:06:46,970 --> 01:06:41,040 weather modification James me oh and 1193 01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:46,980 Vilhelm life Oh short answer is no 1194 01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:50,530 longer answer is welcome to the world of 1195 01:06:58,350 --> 01:06:54,640 global climate change and I do think 1196 01:07:03,210 --> 01:06:58,360 that it's unless you mean engineered not 1197 01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:03,220 intentionally but humanly derived mm-hmm 1198 01:07:09,330 --> 01:07:06,130 okay good answer on that one 1199 01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:09,340 so I'm gonna move to my final question 1200 01:07:13,950 --> 01:07:11,680 before we thank you extremely much for 1201 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:13,960 coming on shattered reality and my final 1202 01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:17,410 question has to do with something that 1203 01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:20,380 has just happened in the past ten days 1204 01:07:28,890 --> 01:07:25,570 in the field of ufology and that is that 1205 01:07:31,470 --> 01:07:28,900 some people one of whom I am I've been 1206 01:07:33,410 --> 01:07:31,480 acquainted with very vaguely and that I 1207 01:07:39,710 --> 01:07:33,420 know that you know much better than I do 1208 01:07:44,370 --> 01:07:39,720 one Harold Puthoff got on the stage with 1209 01:07:46,410 --> 01:07:44,380 the guy from blink de'longhi 1210 01:07:48,980 --> 01:07:46,420 de Longueville Tom DeLonge I was going 1211 01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:48,990 to call him John DeLong Tom DeLonge and 1212 01:07:53,250 --> 01:07:51,280 got on the stage with a bunch of other 1213 01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:53,260 people that I would imagine you might 1214 01:08:01,020 --> 01:07:58,170 know some of those folks right right so 1215 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:01,030 what's your opinion of what is going on 1216 01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:04,930 there with Tom DeLonge and asking for 1217 01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:09,280 money and research education and 1218 01:08:14,070 --> 01:08:12,850 entertainment and and what are these 1219 01:08:21,019 --> 01:08:14,080 guys doing up there 1220 01:08:25,890 --> 01:08:21,029 in short well I think this was widely 1221 01:08:28,150 --> 01:08:25,900 misunderstood as to what their effect 1222 01:08:32,050 --> 01:08:28,160 the TV thing 1223 01:08:36,810 --> 01:08:32,060 that they did it was 1224 01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:36,820 it's basically an investment offering 1225 01:08:43,630 --> 01:08:41,110 they have a group of you know brilliant 1226 01:08:47,650 --> 01:08:43,640 well-connected folks together who would 1227 01:08:55,930 --> 01:08:52,810 Tom's thinking on it is to incorporate 1228 01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:55,940 you know take both the research aspect 1229 01:09:02,380 --> 01:08:58,010 and the entertainment aspect one of his 1230 01:09:06,430 --> 01:09:02,390 personal concerns is kind of exciting 1231 01:09:08,530 --> 01:09:06,440 the younger generation who do not have 1232 01:09:12,190 --> 01:09:08,540 not expressed the level of interest you 1233 01:09:14,940 --> 01:09:12,200 attend the meetings like the SSE 1234 01:09:20,130 --> 01:09:14,950 we're basically dinosaurs you know 1235 01:09:24,010 --> 01:09:20,140 certainly populated by a much older 1236 01:09:27,390 --> 01:09:24,020 generation and they're trying to get 1237 01:09:29,980 --> 01:09:27,400 younger folks more integrally involved 1238 01:09:32,020 --> 01:09:29,990 well that's a good thing that's 1239 01:09:36,670 --> 01:09:32,030 definitely a good thing but people have 1240 01:09:42,010 --> 01:09:36,680 people have commented that Tom DeLonge 1241 01:09:46,300 --> 01:09:42,020 in his books and in his language in 1242 01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:46,310 other interviews has kind of indicated 1243 01:09:52,420 --> 01:09:51,110 that he believes that any aliens we're 1244 01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:52,430 going to call them aliens because we 1245 01:09:55,180 --> 01:09:53,410 don't know for sure that they're 1246 01:09:58,270 --> 01:09:55,190 extraterrestrials they could be coming 1247 01:09:59,050 --> 01:09:58,280 from from another dimension or you know 1248 01:10:01,720 --> 01:09:59,060 that sort of thing 1249 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:01,730 other consciousnesses which we're going 1250 01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:03,650 to call aliens for the moment that 1251 01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:05,570 they're very negative and they need to 1252 01:10:10,990 --> 01:10:07,520 be shot out of the sky and there are 1253 01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:11,000 people out there who have thought that 1254 01:10:15,460 --> 01:10:12,560 well maybe a lot of them are positive 1255 01:10:17,380 --> 01:10:15,470 and why is he portraying the negative 1256 01:10:21,940 --> 01:10:17,390 side of it I know that you may not have 1257 01:10:27,070 --> 01:10:21,950 the answer to this yeah I have read the 1258 01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:27,080 material seeing commentary on both sides 1259 01:10:32,590 --> 01:10:30,800 of it again the people that I know I 1260 01:10:36,370 --> 01:10:32,600 have spoken with Tom I have not 1261 01:10:40,910 --> 01:10:36,380 physically met him I know several of the 1262 01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:40,920 others some of them quite well and there 1263 01:10:50,959 --> 01:10:45,810 interest is Rd perspective how can we 1264 01:10:53,570 --> 01:10:50,969 move the science forward and we'll see 1265 01:10:56,150 --> 01:10:53,580 the last time I looked I've been on for 1266 01:10:59,660 --> 01:10:56,160 a couple days but they had only raised a 1267 01:11:03,229 --> 01:10:59,670 few hundred thousand dollars which is 1268 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:03,239 nowhere near you know he was projecting 1269 01:11:08,860 --> 01:11:05,730 50 million so unless something changes 1270 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:08,870 dramatically the amount that they 1271 01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:14,730 already had invested would not begin to 1272 01:11:20,930 --> 01:11:17,120 do research I have talked to the CEO 1273 01:11:23,660 --> 01:11:20,940 again personal friend and they have a 1274 01:11:26,540 --> 01:11:23,670 requirement that if they don't reach a 1275 01:11:30,530 --> 01:11:26,550 million or I'm sorry a minimum which is 1276 01:11:34,370 --> 01:11:30,540 multi millions that they must return the 1277 01:11:36,410 --> 01:11:34,380 money to the investors I see well I just 1278 01:11:38,300 --> 01:11:36,420 for the record I don't have a dog in 1279 01:11:40,729 --> 01:11:38,310 that race but I was interested in your 1280 01:11:43,459 --> 01:11:40,739 perspective on it and yeah what I 1281 01:11:46,729 --> 01:11:43,469 encourage everybody who's interested is 1282 01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:46,739 to carefully read page seven which is 1283 01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:50,400 the risk assessment of their their 1284 01:11:55,630 --> 01:11:53,280 initial offering is that it extremely 1285 01:11:58,040 --> 01:11:55,640 high risk as an investment perspective 1286 01:12:00,160 --> 01:11:58,050 well I don't I don't have that kind of 1287 01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:00,170 money anyway so I wasn't I wasn't 1288 01:12:05,689 --> 01:12:03,570 personally interested in an investing 1289 01:12:08,330 --> 01:12:05,699 but I was very interested in the group 1290 01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:08,340 of gentlemen that were up there and the 1291 01:12:13,370 --> 01:12:10,620 fact that they seemed kind of high level 1292 01:12:15,860 --> 01:12:13,380 and wonder they are what the heck was 1293 01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:15,870 going on exactly know they're real yes 1294 01:12:22,700 --> 01:12:20,520 yes I imagine they are so before we say 1295 01:12:27,010 --> 01:12:22,710 goodbye would you like to repeat the 1296 01:12:30,530 --> 01:12:27,020 name of your book and talk about the SSE 1297 01:12:34,209 --> 01:12:30,540 we've got reality denied here with John 1298 01:12:36,620 --> 01:12:34,219 B Alexander PhD and it's the firsthand 1299 01:12:40,220 --> 01:12:36,630 experiences with things that can happen 1300 01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:40,230 but did and that is from anomalous books 1301 01:12:46,010 --> 01:12:43,890 and once again in terms of Las Vegas 1302 01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:46,020 next year you've got the dates in your 1303 01:12:54,350 --> 01:12:49,679 head and I know it's June 2018 10 June 1304 01:12:57,709 --> 01:12:54,360 and this is a combination SSE SSI 1305 01:13:00,169 --> 01:12:57,719 the scientific exploration and the 1306 01:13:03,649 --> 01:13:00,179 International remote viewers association 1307 01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:03,659 and I'm planning on being there if my if 1308 01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:05,730 my health is good and I have the money 1309 01:13:14,330 --> 01:13:12,719 to fly I'll buy all there yes you are so 1310 01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:14,340 is there anything else that would you 1311 01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:16,650 would like to say before we bid you a 1312 01:13:23,870 --> 01:13:21,050 fond farewell yeah let's make it 1313 01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:23,880 possible for young scientists who get 1314 01:13:29,180 --> 01:13:26,489 involved in these areas without risking 1315 01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:29,190 their livelihood or reputation because 1316 01:13:36,979 --> 01:13:31,110 we're looking at something that's at 1317 01:13:40,850 --> 01:13:36,989 least as complex as cancer okay well I 1318 01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:40,860 agree with you there 100% and I wish you 1319 01:13:44,810 --> 01:13:42,960 well and I hope a lot of young 1320 01:13:48,410 --> 01:13:44,820 scientists are listening I think you 1321 01:13:58,820 --> 01:13:48,420 have encouraged okay thank you so much 1322 01:14:01,160 --> 01:13:58,830 have a great day bye-bye yeah it was a 1323 01:14:04,660 --> 01:14:01,170 very interesting thing in a great book I 1324 01:14:07,490 --> 01:14:04,670 really do I I wasn't just trying to 1325 01:14:08,660 --> 01:14:07,500 flatter him the book was so well written 1326 01:14:11,660 --> 01:14:08,670 I really enjoyed it 1327 01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:11,670 he certainly is a man of just tremendous 1328 01:14:15,260 --> 01:14:13,679 experience and the way he writes it's 1329 01:14:16,910 --> 01:14:15,270 like sitting down having dinner with 1330 01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:16,920 them and having a very interesting 1331 01:14:23,020 --> 01:14:19,489 conversation I enjoyed it very much 1332 01:14:25,729 --> 01:14:23,030 that was reality reality denied 1333 01:14:26,750 --> 01:14:25,739 firsthand experiences with things that 1334 01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:26,760 can't happen 1335 01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,250 but did with John B Alexander PhD and I 1336 01:14:37,399 --> 01:14:35,040 as well I enjoyed the book and in fact 1337 01:14:39,620 --> 01:14:37,409 there were so many things to talk about 1338 01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:39,630 that I felt like we kind of you know I 1339 01:14:44,689 --> 01:14:41,520 felt like I was skipping around from 1340 01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:44,699 place to place and it I wish I had a 1341 01:14:53,810 --> 01:14:50,130 more of a a focus but there was so many 1342 01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:53,820 things in that book and I cannot say 1343 01:15:00,770 --> 01:14:56,880 more to recommend it to you listeners to 1344 01:15:03,589 --> 01:15:00,780 go out buy the book and read it okay so 1345 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:03,599 I don't know who's coming up next on 1346 01:15:08,180 --> 01:15:05,610 shattered reality but we do have another 1347 01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:08,190 we do have another show planned 1348 01:15:22,430 --> 01:15:10,800 not-too-distant future and we will 1349 01:15:25,330 --> 01:15:22,440 continue on anyway yes unfortunately 1350 01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:25,340 this week we don't have a listener 1351 01:15:31,130 --> 01:15:28,650 experience or corner person but we felt 1352 01:15:36,130 --> 01:15:31,140 that the time would be more than filled 1353 01:15:39,230 --> 01:15:36,140 by John P Alexander and and it was so I 1354 01:15:43,420 --> 01:15:39,240 think it's time to say goodbye for today 1355 01:15:58,060 --> 01:15:43,430 what do you think okay so goodbye from